Rythme Futur

chip3174

Hey all,

I'm trying to learn this diabolical modern piece...love it, but had a question in the B section...in the original Django recording the clarinet takes over the melody which is what I have in a published book.
I've found that at the tempo Django is at, it's difficult or impossible for me to get the syncopations nailed.

In know Stochelo Rosenberg recorded it and changed it (I guess to make it more guitaristic?)..does anybody know what he plays there? I should try to figure this out for myself but i wanted to try the lazy way first...pretty hot down south these days. lol

Best,
Chip

chip3174

Or Rather I should clarify:
it is the C section when the melody is implied by a modified G7b9 melody.
Chip

wim

It's possible on guitar, but it's one of those licks you have to practice everyday to keep your chops up .. pretty difficult

I guess you've already seen stochelo's modified lick on youtube:

chip3174

Hi Wim,

Thanks for the comeback--yes I love this Stochelo version and I decided to figure it out. His modification does make things easier. You might already know it, but here is what I have:

G&b9:



-3-4-3-----------------------------------------------------------------4-3-------------------------------------------------------6-3------------6-3-------------------------------------3--6-------6--3--------------------------------
--------------4----------------4-----------------------------4---------------------4------------------------------
-----------------5-4-3--------------5-4-3-----------3--5------------------------------5-4-3----------------------
---------------------------------------------5-2-5------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

chip3174

Ok well i think i messed up the formatting on that last, hopefully this one turns out right:


-3-4-3-------------------------------------------------------------------4-3---------------------------
---------6-3----------------6-3------------------------------------3-6--------6-3---------------------------
---------------4------------------4-----------------------------4-------------------4----------------
--------------------5-4-3-------------5-4-3-------------3-5--------------------------5-4-3-----------------------
-------------------------------------------------5-2-5--------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

swing68

Hi,

Chip's is definitely the 'legit' way to do the 'answer' part of the phrase. For the first, repeating 'question' part though I came up with a couple of different fingerings that preserve alternate picking in the LH. You have to be pretty aggressive with the damping to stop open strings ringing out, but it works:

'Legit' way:
[code]
-3-4-3-------------------------
-------6-3-----------3/4-3--
-----------4-------------------
-------------5-4-3-----------
----------------------------------
----------------------------------
D U D D U D D U D D
[/code]

'New' way:
[code]
-3-4-3-1------------------------
---------3-0---------3/4-3--
----------------------------------
-------------5-4-3----------
----------------------------------
------------------------
D U D U D U D U D D
[/code]

or:

[code]
-3=4-3-------------------------
-------6-3-----------3/4-3--
-----------4-0------------------
---------------4-3----------
----------------------------------
---------------------------------
D - U D U D U D U D
[/code]

where, unconventionally, = means hammer-on, / a slide, D is downstroke and U upstroke. This second variation leads into the turnaround (last two measures) better - but the hammer on at the start does reduce the impact of every note being picked as in Stochelo's original and the first variation above.

I admit I do feel a lot more pleased when doing it the legit way and as a study in descending rest strokes legit's the best there is, but if it's instant gratification/giving your right wrist an easier time you're after, well ...

swing68

[quote="swing68"]Chip's is definitely the 'legit' way to do the 'answer' part of the phrase. [/quote]

Actually on closer examination Stoch does play it one note differently - it's not quite an ascending diminished run, the G (annotated with * below) is natural, not sharp - notice how his hand shifts towards the nut to use open strings:

[code]
-3-4-3-----------------------------------------4-3----------
-------6-3---------6-3---------------------3-6-----6-3-----
-----------4-----------4---------------0-4-------------4----
-------------5-4-3-------5-4-3-0---0-3-------------------3-
---------------------------------2--------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------
*
[/code]

chip3174

Hey Thanks for the ideas swing68! Always cool to check out new ideas on fingerings--and particularly so on music that wasn't even originally on guitar. It's such a cool lick I'll probably be playing it on 7th chords of some sort in other tunes.

The Django recording I have of this tune really is amazing, it's like hearing WWII encapsulated in a few minutes. The biggest thing you miss in Stochelo's version is the drums. In Django's version they really take on the sound of explosions and artillery fire..Of course all this is my interpretation, maybe Django had nothing of the sort in mind.

Chip

swing68

[quote="chip3174"]The biggest thing you miss in Stochelo's version is the drums. In Django's version they really take on the sound of explosions and artillery fire..Of course all this is my interpretation, maybe Django had nothing of the sort in mind.[/quote]

Had to go back and listen to the original again after reading that. And yes, it's there, isn't it ?

A real treasure trove of ideas in Les Doigts de l'Hommes version (with Ravel/Stravinsky stype intro and a complete reinvention of the original riff):



One favourite of mine (might be my 'creative' mishearing of something Olivier plays rather than what's actually there):

[code]
-----------------|-----------------|---
-----------------|-------------6-9-|-8-
-----------------|---------4-7-----|---
-------------3-6-|-5-3-4-5---------|---
---------2-5-----|-----------------|---
-3-1-2-3---------|-----------------|---
[/code]

etc, etc, as high as you can/want to go ...

chip3174

That might be the most incredible, artistic, and entertaining video i have seen! Funny that 'Simpson's" reference in the middle too! Great thanks for sharing the ideas and this clip!
Chip

chip3174

And a big thanks for those open string fingerings Swing 68! They make all the all the difference.