Oh .. I forgot to add... on sax there are two fingerings for F# two for G# and 3 for middle Bb,2 for middle C and which of these is most efficient depends on the approach and departure and intonation. SAx is like violin in that intonation of each note isn't always spot on.
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Man, this place is really something else! Being able to connect with other people who also love this music and know so much about it. Christophe progression triggered something in my mind. I have the Romane book "L'Esprit Manouche" and I remember he mentioned the Christophe progression there.
Interesting that the Hungaria turnaround was also mentioned, but it is different because it uses IV-minor in place of the diminished chord. This IV-minor is also found in "All of Me". So it requires a different approach. But incidentally, the diminished and the IV-minor are the only differences in those progressions.
I guess the only way to master this is to try to connect those changes. Major cliches for the major chords. Dim arps for diminished chords and so on. All over the neck. When you listen to masters like Stochelo and Bireli it sounds so effortless, while in fact they have a library of ideas for just that one progression.
I'm starting to think that I really need to make some 'progress' with this progression (actually more than one progression since there are several variations) as it is easy to get tripped up when trying to solo over these fast changes. I'm not really sure how to approach this except to transcribe other peoples ideas and practice them or write my own ideas to connect the arpeggios as etudes.
Does anyone else have ideas or suggestions of things that have helped them be able to solo over these one measure per chord changes?
I just found out that I was wrong about something I posted in this thread a few months back.
The chord progression used for the middle eight of tunes like "Honeysuckle Rose" "Sunny Side of the Street" "When You're Smiling" "It Don't Mean a Thing" is properly called a MONTGOMERY WARD bridge
(For those outside North America, the now-defunct Montgomery-Ward department store chain was once a prominent retailer.)
The middle eight of of "I Got Rhythm" that goes around the circle of fifths, which I'd always known as a "rhythm bridge", according to Wikipedia, is the one that is properly called the "SEARS ROEBUCK bridge"
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Interesting that the Hungaria turnaround was also mentioned, but it is different because it uses IV-minor in place of the diminished chord. This IV-minor is also found in "All of Me". So it requires a different approach. But incidentally, the diminished and the IV-minor are the only differences in those progressions.
I guess the only way to master this is to try to connect those changes. Major cliches for the major chords. Dim arps for diminished chords and so on. All over the neck. When you listen to masters like Stochelo and Bireli it sounds so effortless, while in fact they have a library of ideas for just that one progression.
Oops, also Am7 instead of A7.
Course closes today apparently.
Does anyone else have ideas or suggestions of things that have helped them be able to solo over these one measure per chord changes?
thanks
The chord progression used for the middle eight of tunes like "Honeysuckle Rose" "Sunny Side of the Street" "When You're Smiling" "It Don't Mean a Thing" is properly called a MONTGOMERY WARD bridge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery-Ward_bridge
(For those outside North America, the now-defunct Montgomery-Ward department store chain was once a prominent retailer.)
The middle eight of of "I Got Rhythm" that goes around the circle of fifths, which I'd always known as a "rhythm bridge", according to Wikipedia, is the one that is properly called the "SEARS ROEBUCK bridge"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears_Roeb ... pplication
(Named for another North American retailer.)
Sorry for misinforming you!
Will
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