Dunno about mental issues, but traditional gypsy culture is quite different than most cultures that people may be familiar with; and Django definitely shows lots of traits that i have seen time and time again.
In traditional gypsy culture (at least as far as sinti are concerned) , they absolutely hate rules and categorization ... They have a saying that kids don't ask to be born, so they deserve a good and free life, that means growing up, kids are allowed to do a lot of things that in other cultures parents wouldn't allow their kids to do... which is why django was so proud of babik stealing chickens.
Just in Samois last year, i saw one of django's toddler descendent vandalizing a vendor's sign, and the family watched on with smiles and pride.
As you can imagine, when they grow up, they grow up with a feeling of freedom and entitlement. Contracts don't mean a thing to them, it's just a piece of paper; whether they sign it or not, it matters not to them. The consequences are not real.
And then there's also the big distrust of outsiders (gadje) that is caused by centuries of persecution, lack of education, and lack of political power.
All this combined can make it difficult them to interact with outsiders.
This is of course not a criticism of gypsies, it is what it is, and people should just understand that..
And of course, that is a description of the pure traditional culture.. not every Gypsy is like that, just like not every Canadian says "eh" at the end of each sentence, eh?
I always thought Django's "oddness" was more than just gypsy culture. A true genius (which I believe Django was :bow:) is seldom, if ever, what is considered to be normal. :-B
But I am very wary of this discussion. It's almost as if we're trying to find a medical reason for Django's genius.
I don't think anyone was suggesting that but the fact remains much of his behaviour has strong similarities to what is now called high functioning aspergers. That does not necessarily mean he had that condition and it would in no way explain his genius even if it were true.
To me, he was a genius who lived in his own world and operated to his own rules. The only thing he really consistently cared about was music although he did have a penchant for women and gambling. Over the later years of his life, he was also clearly devoted to Babik whom he taught to shop lift with great dexterity. :-$
Yes I know aspies can be extroverted, I just thought it was interesting that introversion in aspies is common, and that the theory Jazzaferri spoke of with neurochemicals was similar to how introversion is also caused by neurochemicals. In the end, I don't think if Django had aspies or not matters much because it doesn't make you a genius. Django was no savant, but he had a very high musical intellect, no doubt passed down to him by his father and ancestors. He was introduced to music at a very young age, which also helps, since a developing child tries to learn about its surroundings and how the world works and if exposed to music early it will incorporate it into its life and it might become a high priority thing for them just like language.
Like dennis said, the celebrity life of a touring musician was very different from the gypsy world Django had grown up in. I wonder how well for example Eugene Vees and Joseph faired? Maybe they were as alienated as Django. I don't know enough about them to say for sure.
I always found it very commendable that Django did eventually learn to read and write. There are a lot of things about him that just fascinates me. Like a good book I'm drawn toward this strange magical man, how he lived and functioned and the wonderful music that came out of him, trying to understand how it all comes together.
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In traditional gypsy culture (at least as far as sinti are concerned) , they absolutely hate rules and categorization ... They have a saying that kids don't ask to be born, so they deserve a good and free life, that means growing up, kids are allowed to do a lot of things that in other cultures parents wouldn't allow their kids to do... which is why django was so proud of babik stealing chickens.
Just in Samois last year, i saw one of django's toddler descendent vandalizing a vendor's sign, and the family watched on with smiles and pride.
As you can imagine, when they grow up, they grow up with a feeling of freedom and entitlement. Contracts don't mean a thing to them, it's just a piece of paper; whether they sign it or not, it matters not to them. The consequences are not real.
And then there's also the big distrust of outsiders (gadje) that is caused by centuries of persecution, lack of education, and lack of political power.
All this combined can make it difficult them to interact with outsiders.
This is of course not a criticism of gypsies, it is what it is, and people should just understand that..
And of course, that is a description of the pure traditional culture.. not every Gypsy is like that, just like not every Canadian says "eh" at the end of each sentence, eh?
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I don't think anyone was suggesting that but the fact remains much of his behaviour has strong similarities to what is now called high functioning aspergers. That does not necessarily mean he had that condition and it would in no way explain his genius even if it were true.
To me, he was a genius who lived in his own world and operated to his own rules. The only thing he really consistently cared about was music although he did have a penchant for women and gambling. Over the later years of his life, he was also clearly devoted to Babik whom he taught to shop lift with great dexterity. :-$
youtube.com/user/TheTeddyDupont
Like dennis said, the celebrity life of a touring musician was very different from the gypsy world Django had grown up in. I wonder how well for example Eugene Vees and Joseph faired? Maybe they were as alienated as Django. I don't know enough about them to say for sure.
I always found it very commendable that Django did eventually learn to read and write. There are a lot of things about him that just fascinates me. Like a good book I'm drawn toward this strange magical man, how he lived and functioned and the wonderful music that came out of him, trying to understand how it all comes together.