The Secrets of Authentic Gypsy Jazz Rhythm

Jazzaferri

It took me days of playing around with notation and feel in Sibelius to get a reasonable approximation of the Pompe on Sibelius 7 for playback.

IMO in Jazz, other than big band, the notation is interpreted not read per se.

spatzo

Certainly it is not easy to write it "as is" but should we say the upstroke can be notated as a grace chord on first halfs of 1 and 3? (and counted 1and - 2 - 3and - 4)

This leads to my second question: is the upstroke chord sometimes shorter or longer than the following downstroke chord? (and by the way counted as the first third of a triplet followed by the remaining two thirds of the follower downstroke or vice-versa)

I hope you're not undecided now...

Best

AndrewUlle

According to Denis Chang's FB post, THIS is the way to play rhythm:

Jazzaferri

bluegrass with jazz chords ROFL )

Jazzaferri

spatzo wrote: »

Certainly it is not easy to write it "as is" but should we say the upstroke can be notated as a grace chord on first halfs of 1 and 3? (and counted 1and - 2 - 3and - 4)

This leads to my second question: is the upstroke chord sometimes shorter or longer than the following downstroke chord? (and by the way counted as the first third of a triplet followed by the remaining two thirds of the follower downstroke or vice-versa)

I hope you're not undecided now...

Best

First you say you do and then you don't ... then you way you will and then you wont ... your undecided now ... what are you going to do. dah dat dah dah dat dah dee dum

Spalo

Just to change the subject a little: I was listening to The Hot Club's 'Appel Direct' and I noticed that someone (Joseph?) is performing an excellent very fast 'rolling strum fill', for want of a better description, on some of the chord changes behind Django's solo. I wondered if this would have been part of the arrangement or was it, as I think, just Joseph playing it as he felt it. It's not something I've heard on more modern recordings. Would the rhythm guitarists expressing themselves like this be frowned upon these days? Did Django refuse to speak to Joe after the recording??!!

Jazzaferri

Probably...lol....

if you listen to Django's rhythm playing with Rex Stewart, Barney Bigard and Billy Talylor on all star sessions....he does do a a little bit of pompe but his rhythm changes with and is a musical part of the tune.......real jazz comping....not just banging out 4 to a bar.

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Bones

Oh man, Andrew, :-) That's the kind of mis-information that was and still is out there. Da-jeez....

Jazza, yeah pure Da-genious.

Jazzaferri

Bump ….well worth revisiting