SOLD - Jacques Favino - (#205, 1972)

crescendo

Glad this post has inspired some lively debate...

There's a real question here about value. What makes a guitar valuable? Sound, playability?

Then what makes an antique coin valuable? It poses no usefulness other than scarcity and sheer collectibility.

The point here is that what makes a guitar valuable is purely a question of how many exist, and how many people want them. Even in the NYSE, the current "stock price" is whatever the last trade happened to be -- not the asking price, and not even anything related to a company's profitability or performance.

Is JP Favino a better value than a Jacques Favino? That's a really tough question. Personally, I have a preference, but it's an opinion. If you'd like a great video comparing the sound characteristics:

Is this specific Favino (#205) properly priced? Definitely seen lesser guitars sell for more. Also seen great guitars (especially non-vintage) sell for very little. Taking the pulse of the market place, you'd be hard-pressed to find a similar year Jacques listed for less.

If folks out there on the blog know where I can find these mythical "less expensive" Jacques, please let me know.

Again "happy to give a much better price to folks on the forum" - meaning I've listed it publicly, but want to support the community here (where I too have benefitted greatly). So I'd be happy to see it go to someone here for a lot less.

I've had 57 people directly message me on the forum and facebook. They know what I'm asking privately.

Thanks.


PS - asking someone to "stop hatin' " is not a personal jab; it's an internet meme. -- e.g. mostly a joke. @Ted Gottsegen and I are friendly -- respect you and your views.

wim

@crescendo No need to defend your words - if someone thinks the price ain't right then they don't buy, simple as that. Chris Martin is often grumpy and argumentative, he can be safely ignored.

scot

Regarding old Favinos, here is a message from a friend in central France in Oct 2016. I wasn't able to find a buyer for him. But if anyone is seriously interested, I'll see if he still has it. I have photos.

C'est une première main.Je l'ai commandée à Jacques Favino en 1972.Il me la livrée en juillet 1973.J'ai accompagné Francis Moerman pendant quelques années de temps en temps ( Peut être 5ans ) puis ma carrière proffessionnelle et ma famille ne m'ont pas permis de continuer à jouer en groupe.Cette guitare à donc été très peu utilisée pendant 30 années et c'est ce qui explique son très bon état .Je l'ai apportée à Jean Pierre Favino en juin 2015 pour sa 1ere révision.Il a fait 2 choses .Un frettage neuf et un chevalet neuf.Ce sont les seules mise à niveau de cette guitare après 42 ans de vie .Je te joint quelques photos ainsi que le certificat d'authenticité fait par Jean Pierre.Jean Pierre la valorisée à 6000 Euros sur le marché Européen.
C'est pour moi le prix au départ de France.Si tu trouves un acheteur je serais très content.

Mind you, if I have a dog in this fight at all, it is with Spencer, and I own a JP Favino guitar myself - which I much prefer to the Macias I used to own. I just can't imagine anyone paying that much for a guitar like this. If I turn out to be wrong, OK!

The video does give what I'd call a pretty accurate comparison of those three styles of Favino. And Moignard is a terrific player.

Buco

Man, Wim, when you say it you really say it.

ChrisMartin

Luckily, I am not so 'grumpy' as to take Wim's bait and can safely ignore him. As for the 'hating' thing, if Crescendo was sharing a private joke with Ted then so be it and I apologise if I misread the dialogue. I do however despair for the future generations who have been brought up with only facebook to guide their philosophy. I worry that the online 'hating' of anyone you disagree with may spread to the real world. I also note that the possibly opportunistic asking price appears now, after some remarks from folks on here, to be maybe more negotiable down toward a correct value. So, and this may be testing even Wim's sense of humour, what is my Favino, also from Jacques' 'golden period' (dated 1969) worth today? See photo.

crescendo

Guitar is sold - thanks for all the interest and great discussion!

Best
- Spencer

AndrewUlle

Chris Martin wrote: »

what is my Favino, also from Jacques' 'golden period' (dated 1969) worth today? See photo.

https://reverb.com/item/6134681-jacques-favino-acoustic-brassens-1964

ChrisMartin

Andrew Ulle wrote: »

Chris Martin wrote: »

what is my Favino, also from Jacques' 'golden period' (dated 1969) worth today? See photo.

https://reverb.com/item/6134681-jacques-favino-acoustic-brassens-1964

Strange that it was listed in Belgium, called it a 'Brassens' and then said without the tailpiece and fitted with nylon strings. A nylon strung classical or Spanish guitar and a steel strung Brassens Favino are two different things. Anyway, mine is a 5A according to the label, has a straight neck, new Rubner tuners and plays and sounds good although the cosmetics are showing their age. It is not really for sale anyway, I just wondered if it is suddenly worth a lot more than I had thought (a grand at most) now?

And well done Crescendo. I hope both buyer and seller are happy, that is all that really matters.