Any idea what this guitar is?

michaelNmichaelN New
in Photos Posts: 5

There’s only one photo available on this.

the tailpiece says ‘S’ as in Saga, but from the placements of dots on fretboard and the pearl design rosette, it can’t quite be identified if the tailpiece has been added on so it might very well not be a Cigano nor a Gitane


  • spatzospatzo Virtuoso
    Posts: 768

    It looks like a Patenotte 251 with some modifications

  • pdgpdg ✭✭
    Posts: 470

    The long single-piece bridge (no separate "moustache" pieces) is consistent with Patenotte.

  • michaelNmichaelN New
    Posts: 5

    Patenotte? Is that a good thing?

  • ChrisMartinChrisMartin Shellharbour NSW Australia✭✭ Di Mauro x2, Petrarca, Genovesi, Burns, Kremona Zornitsa & Paul Beuscher resonator.
    edited September 2022 Posts: 959

    I disagree with Patenotte.

    The curve of the cutaway, which often has subtle differences is always a good way to try to match a guitar. In this case the horn is more rounded than any Patenotte I have seen. One piece bridges have been common in the past on cheap Chinese copies, as have abalone inlays around the soundhole (which I think I can see there?). Also many of them came with rubbish tailpieces which might explain the Saga type replacement.

    Not that I am saying that is what it is, as some of them can be hard to identify too, but we can rule out Patenotte.

    On the other hand, a tenth fret dot marker and a pretty (although redundant) fingerboard extension add some authenticity.

  • B25GibB25Gib Bremerton WA✭✭✭✭ Holo Busato, Dell'Arte Hommage, Gitane D-500, Eastman AR805
    Posts: 184

    Zoom in on the photo and notice the low E string is Much closer to the A string. Whether or not it has "jumped" out of the bridge slot OR Not, considering the distance to edge of fretboard indicates a possible neck misalignment to body.

  • stuologystuology New
    Posts: 196

    It looks to me like an early version of one of those cheap guitars you can get on Alibaba. I remember when they first started popping up they didn’t always have labels. Either that or possibly a self build.

    I wouldn’t spend more than a couple of hundred without knowing more about it.

  • crothcroth ✭✭
    Posts: 107

    Agreed. Notice also how the fretboard inlays are not centered between the g and d strings. Often a sign of a neck misalignment.

  • BonesBones Moderator
    Posts: 3,320

    Actually, the strings should not be evenly spaced apart (not equal centerline distance). They should have equal spaces BETWEEN them.

  • wimwim ChicagoModerator Barault #503 replica
    Posts: 1,457

    ^ I've heard that before, but never understood the reasoning. Surely it would be more comfortable for the player if the center of mass of each string was equally spaced apart?

  • BonesBones Moderator
    edited October 2022 Posts: 3,320

    Wim, IDK that's just what I recall reading in Bob Bennedetto's book when I was a total newbee and first started building archtops. I still have the book somewhere but not sure where.

    Also, what could be going on in the picture is the bridge has just slid off to one side. I doubt the neck isn't aligned as it is pretty easy to get it spot on before gluing. Neck alignment is one of the least stressful part of luthiery for me. But you do need really accurate jigs.

    That said, it does look like the low E has jumped out of it's little indentation on the bridge but really hard to tell from a picture.

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