Archtop bridge issue update--problem solved

MikeK

I have an Epiphone Zephyr Regent that I love, but it has one minor flaw: the high e and the g both sound a bit buzzy when playing single notes. I can hear it whether or not I'm going through the amp. On gigs, I dont notice it much because I'm playing at a louder volume than when I practice. But it bugs me when I practice. The other strings are clear with sustain that I like, but those 2 just dont ring out like I want them to. In fact, I find myself using extra vibrato on a ballad or slow swing tune on the high e to try to get it to sustain more. Any suggestions for how to correct this? Full disclaimer: I use Thomastik Bebop 13's, I'm not sure if that matters here.

Radiofm74

Please define "buzzy". Is there a rattle? If so, that can usually be solved quite easily.

Get yourself in a quiet corner with your guitar, unplugged, and hunt it down. Troubleshooting like this takes a little patience: on electric archtops, vibrations can come from many places such as the pickguard, the pickup rings… Once you're positive where that comes from, the solution will present itself to you: tighten down that little screw, or at worse replace the offending part.

My MIC Epi Casino, though lovely, came with a few of these little issues. The factory TOM bridge rattled, in particular: I swapped it with a nice Gotoh and for a minor expense the problem was gone for good.

Let us know how you fare! Posting a pic of your guitar might help, too. In the story of Epiphone, there have been several "Zephyr Regents", all of them quite different.

Buco

If it's a string buzz, I'd look at two things; frets condition and neck relief. Recrowning and polishing the frets might take care of it or adding a touch more relief to the neck.

ChrisMartin

Not sure what Regent model, your profile says a Zephyr Regent, but I have seen some with old style archtop rosewood bridges and some with the adjustable tune-o-matic bridges. Either way a rough groove in the bridge or nut would do that, or even a badly seated or loose nut, it would only take a tiny bit of interference to damp the string vibrations and kill sustain.

MikeK

https://www.djangobooks.com/forum/discussion/comment/112487#Comment_112487

Thanks radiofm74. It's definitely not a rattle. It's more of a quick fading away of the sustain on those 2 strings that seems to come from the bridge, which is accompanied by a slight buzzing sound. It's very subtle, but gets my attention nonetheless. I'll post a pic of it soon--it's an '06 to '08 Zephyr Regent, with dot inlays on the neck.

MikeK

bbwood_98

OK,

I will chime in here: Given buzzy, could be several things - 1st - the bridge may need a little fitting to make sure the grove is in the correct place; and the pieces within are all seated correctly (that style has 5 pieces between the string and the wood: little peice the string is on, screw, top of bridge, pin to the wood, thumbscrew, wood part of bridge) all could be taking a toll on sustain.

Finally, the fretboard or frets; if the board is uneven, that would cause this for sure. . . or the frets may need a leveling.

Hit up a good luthier who helps other jazz players in your area and show them - they may have a good solution.

B.

Ps. that's a cool box frankly- I didn't know they made this!

Radiofm74

https://www.djangobooks.com/forum/discussion/comment/112497#Comment_112497

It's a very cool guitar! An Epiphone Herb Ellis!

You've had already a store of good advice so you know what to look for. Me, I'd take a very close look at how your bridge is working and whether the nut is cut well and sufficiently lubricated. The condition you describe recalls me of a problem I had on a much-loved Mexican telecaster – I called it "sitar strings": a strange buzzing overtone and shortened sustain on the B string. Turns out it was a misalignment of the nut that made the string sit in a burr of the saddle instead of where it was supposed to sit. I changed the stock plastic nut to a nice bone nut, and got the occasion to buy better brass saddles, and it was gone.

Besides: my experience with these lovely Korean and Chinese Epiphones is that while their "bones" are great, and fit and finish is typically very nice, the hardware (and electronics) is where they cut corners. Most of it is serviceable and I keep it unless it gives problems, but a GOTOH TOM bridge costs about 30€, is a simple swap if you determine correctly what model goes on your guitar, and it might be a good upgrade in any case.

Bones

Maybe a problem with bridge but also check the nut, frets, tailpiece, etc. Do you have a repair tech?

jonpowl

I notice a lot of the Epiphone Zephyr Regents have a rosewood bridge similar to this one I've found at Stewmack.com. A new nut and bridge and cool sounds!

https://www.stewmac.com/parts-and-hardware/all-hardware-and-parts-by-instrument/archtop-guitar-parts/archtop-guitar-bridges-and-tailpieces/archtop-guitar-bridge/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=2022-10-gp&gclid=Cj0KCQjwyt-ZBhCNARIsAKH1175iXJfsLzV1ugNR1XthoaJSrOlpprVOc95Zpdcs3anc2scc4FqLgysaAjnvEALw_wcB

Buco

You could try a few things to troubleshoot. The nut should be easy, find a suitable size stainless steel nail to use as the zero fret. And if you have a GJ bridge laying around with the approximate height, swap it. These may provide some answers. Come to think of it, you could probably swap around the bridge pieces and see if that makes any difference.