Up-Down-Down thirds and sixths licks

gotgenes

For lack of a better phrase, I call these up-down-down licks. John Jorgenson seems to use more frequently than any other artist in my limited gypsy jazz catalog.

For example, from "Memoirs de Nos Peres (Memories of Our Fathers)", a duet with Peter Frampton, 4:20, he plays one over a D7 transitioning to an Ab Major, using ascending minor thirds.

[code]
D7 Ab
^ v v ^ v v ^ v v ^ v v ^
------5---5-6---6-8---8-10--10|11---
--------7-----8-----10----12--|-----
------------------------------|-----
------------------------------|-----
------------------------------|-----
------------------------------|-----
[/code]


Here's a variation of using sixths in Jorgenson's rendition of "J'Attendrai" at about 45 seconds into it. It seems to be following the harmonic minor for D minor, which makes sense in light of a V-i progression.

[code]
A7 Dmin
^ v v ^ v v ^ v v ^
------------5---5-6---6-9---9-|10---
------------------------------|-----
--------------6-----6-----9---|-----
------------------------------|-----
------------------------------|-----
------------------------------|-----
[/code]

Another sixth-based variation, this one at 57 seconds into "Waltz for Mary".

[code]
C B7b9 (?) C Bb7 B7 C7
(triplets)
v ^ ^ v v ^ ^ v ^ v v ^ v v ^ v v
8---8-------8---8---|8---8-------8---8---|8-----8--10----10-11----11-|12---
8---8-------8---8---|7---7-------7---7---|---------------------------|-----
9---9-------9---9---|8---8-------8---8---|---9--------10-------11----|-----
--------------------|--------------------|---------------------------|-----
--------------------|--------------------|---------------------------|-----
--------------------|--------------------|---------------------------|-----
[/code]

Anybody have more of these patterns? I've been trying to figure out when and where one can incorporate them into the playng? I haven't really noticed any examples of moving up major thirds, nor have I really heard switching between major and minor third--like moving through a scale with harmonized thirds.

djangology

seems like these patterns derive from the standard diminished pattern (u-d-d-d) , like the one in Djangos dark eyes solo except they are applied to 2 strings instead of 3.

gotgenes

djangology wrote:

seems like these patterns derive from the standard diminished pattern (u-d-d-d) , like the one in Djangos dark eyes solo except they are applied to 2 strings instead of 3.

Well, maybe the general technique does, but the timing proves different. The licks I presented above are played as eighth note triplets, whereas the u-d-d-d using a diminished pattern like the one in "Les Yeux Noir" is played as sixteenth notes. Likewise, you can't just slide these patterns up and down at regular intervals and have a pleasant effect like you can with the diminished pattern (which repeats every three semi-tones, or frets).

Bones

Can you post some audio clips to show as examples of each?

Thanks

gotgenes

Bones wrote:

Can you post some audio clips to show as examples of each?

Thanks

Added to the original post.