Repetitive triplet patterns

V-dub

A few repetitive triplet patterns I've observed in many solos. These are really tough to do in time.

Dennis, if you have any tips on how to pull these off with any speed, please enlighten!



All of these can be visualized with respect to chord voicings with roots on the low E string, like 3 5 5 4 3 3 for G. I put the second one on C because its less of a stretch that way.

Jimmy likes to use these for a bunch of measures, even over changes. So if you have a song in G, like "I cant give you anything but love" you can throw that first pattern on top of the first 8 measures if you REALLY wanted to. Its a good way to take up space and show off at the same time.

Bonus: The third one is often used over G- as well!

powertab file: http://www.darkmindshosting.com/~anouma ... iplets.ptb

dennis

there's actually a trick to it, but then i'd be giving away the gypsy secrets

dennis

dennis wrote:

there's actually a trick to it, but then i'd be giving away the gypsy secrets

hahaha just kidding hold on

for the first lick, the fourth and fifth notes can be done with pull offs, that's what jimmy does at really high speeds although he also does the one u indicated...

for number 2... depending on the tempo ..the pattern is different from when u start and when u loop the lick.... at medium speeds what u wrote is fine, but to get to jimmy speeds you need to switch the first note of every group to an upstroke (the first time round is a down though)....

same thing when u do 7 8 9 10 9 8 .... at medium speed D U D D U D works well, but to get to jimmy land , it's D U D D and from that point straight alternate picking...

the gypsy secret has been finally revealed.... and for free at that..

V-dub

ha! "Jimmy land"

Thanks for the tips Dennis! Wow thats quite a revelation. So there is something to this alternate picking thing after all...

By the way, you're one of my big inspirations for even bothering to try and tackle Jimmy Rosenberg solos. After seeing you and Gonzalo pull of these licks I thought to myself: "hey, It can be done by non-gypsies!".

After a while it becomes a vocabulary. You can break down a lot of Rosenberg solos into distinct cliche phrases and it just gets easier and easier to figure them out. You just gotta take the time to slow down and learn note for note the first few.

Jack

dennis wrote:

for the first lick, the fourth and fifth notes can be done with pull offs, that's what jimmy does at really high speeds although he also does the one u indicated...

Dennis,

When you say fourth and fifth notes, do you mean the G and F# (i.e., hammering the G and pulling off the F# before picking the open E)? Or do you mean pulling off two notes in a row-the G to F#, then F# to E?

Thanks,
Jack.

dennis

i meant as v-dub's pattern 3 , the exact same picking pattern, it's actually the same pattern!

altrhough i suppose you can pull off all three notes (G F# E), whatever works

V-dub

I fixed the picking patterns in the original post.

Thanks so much Dennis.Those licks have stumped me for longer than you can imagine. I'm suprised I didn't pick up on that first trick sooner, considering the rant I gave about preserving the DUDU pattern in the Micro lick!

Kelly Dow

Thanks Dennis for the insight, very illuminating but it also brings up a question in my mind.

In the 2nd phrase, you break the cardinal rule of a down-stroke every time you go to a new string. Is this a one in a million rare exception, or when you get to these hyper-warp drive tempos is it OK to... for lack of a better term to "cheat" a little here and there?

Don't get me wrong, I am totally dedicated to getting this style down correctly, and I know there are no short cuts, but you're saying this is how Jimmy would play that lick.

For example, it is real struggle for me to play the head of "Tiger Rag" at a fast tempo, picking every note correctly, but if I could sneak in an "illegal" up-stroke or a pull-off, it's so much better.

Another passage I've wondered about it is Rhythm Futur, especially as it is played on the NY Django fest 2000 by Jimmy and Frank as the intro to Limehouse Blues. (suggestions appreciated).

Great post V-Dub and the Micro Pattern too, these really help.
Kelly

dennis

[quote="Kelly Dow"]
In the 2nd phrase, you break the cardinal rule of a down-stroke every time you go to a new string. Is this a one in a million rare exception, or when you get to these hyper-warp drive tempos is it OK to... for lack of a better term to "cheat" a little here and there?
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hmmm, i don't see what you are referring to, the licks in v-dub's all follow that "rule".... but it shouldn't thought of as a rule... more like a guidelines.... take mozes for example (stochelo's lil bro) who plays this typical dutch lick :

[code]

e------3--
b-4s5----

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D slide U

whereas stochelo or jimmy would use D slide D.... which is why mozes is able to execute it at warp speed...


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Don't get me wrong, I am totally dedicated to getting this style down correctly, and I know there are no short cuts, but you're saying this is how Jimmy would play that lick.
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again i'm not sure exactly what you're referring to, maybe u misread the picking indications?

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For example, it is real struggle for me to play the head of "Tiger Rag" at a fast tempo, picking every note correctly, but if I could sneak in an "illegal" up-stroke or a pull-off, it's so much better.
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pull-offs are definitely not illegal, it 's what allows you to realign downstrokes with downbeats... they all do it, angelo, bireli, stochelo, django (listen to his django's tiger where the use of hammer-ons/pull-offs is all over th e place) etc...

at the same time, the tiger rag theme (the one i'm listening to anyway - i think it's the only version where django played the theme) doesn't seem too complicated, have you tried changing the fingerings? are you picking from the wrist? which version are you using as reference anyway (or do you have your own arrangement)

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Another passage I've wondered about it is Rhythm Futur, especially as it is played on the NY Django fest 2000 by Jimmy and Frank as the intro to Limehouse Blues. (suggestions appreciated).
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unfortunately the doubled guitars make it hard for me to hear articulations (knowing especially that frank doesn't use the same picking technique).... however, i have a strong feeling that all the notes of the main riffs are picked ... that's how stochelo and paulus (a cousin) play it too

Kelly Dow

As the late, great rosanadanadana said "oh, never mind."

Here is a pdf. with the picking pattern I was questioning, the circled notes must be misprints? Am I misreading this, or is the brown acid I did at woodstock catching up to me and I'm hallucinating?

With Tiger rag I am pretty close to playing along with the 1st version Django- Grappelli recorded, the theme(Grapelli) and harmony (Django). I think this is an ideal head/tune to play at a burnin' up tempo. I would like to get where I could play either line at half-note =144.

I didn't say pull-off's were "illegal"- I definitely hear them all over the place, but they're not over-used either. For instance, I think they are picking every note in Rhythm Futur too, and to me, it just defies the laws of physics, especially the very beginning and the part over G7b9.

Kelly

dennis

woooops i was just looking at the first measure of v-dub's tab, obviously the second measure is indeed wrong....

the G7b9 riff?

e 3 4 3
b          6 3              4 3
g                4
d                    5 4 3
a
e

D U D D U D D U D D U