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AND.......while I remember; JWC is also advertising an ex-Limberger Sicilian special with peacock inlay. Asking for offers.
https://jwc-guitars.com/shop/gypsy-jazz/limberger-1940s-gypsy-guitar/
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Looks beautiful, thanks for the heads-up, Chris - I'm fairly certain this is the guitar pictured in the hands of Storro Limberger earlier in this thread (page 1, et seq) - maybe JWC bought or borrowed it to help design their "Marius" style replicas (and changed the tailpiece). I'll write and ask for more details & roughly how much they want for it, though judging by the prices on their new guitars it will be way above what I'm prepared to spend on these old clunkers ;-)
It might be of interest that I think there were two different manufacturers of this shape of cello-style long scale-length guitars with the pointed bouts and scroll headstock:
- ONE is the "Marius" style, including the peacock-inlaid Limberger guitar - there's a distinct 'horn' on the cutaway- usually seen in plain wood finish, with simple round fret markers and thin/basic purfling on edge & soundhole - top is flat & braced, I'm fairly sure- retailed under the "Marius" brand, though I'm not sure of the actual Luthier's name - Antonino Napoli is a possibility.
- TWO is the style made by (or for) Stefano Caponnetto - often with more elaborate edge & sound-hole decoration in cut shell and caulk or mother-of-pearl, intricate shaped fretboard inlay work, top is a carved arch-top, sometimes stained sunburst or black, elaborately cut plastic arm guard & sound-hole rosette, the cutaway is more flat-shouldered with less of a horn. Retailed as "Stefano Caponnetto", "Vincezo Miroglio", "Mandolissimo", "Agatino Patane" et. al. The luthier might be Caponnetto, or Vincent Miroglio, perhaps working in Caponnetto's workshop. Caponnetto also made a version of this cello-guitar with f-holes instead of the round soundhole.
Both types of cello guitar are also seen with more conventional flat headstocks. The Peacock inlays were produced and sold as premade parts to a number of different luthiers working in Catania.
Half of this is observation, the other half speculation, so a pinch of salt or two should be taken. -A-
But there are enough educated guess possibilities that one of them is bound to be accurate :)
Tony from JWC got back to me with his asking price, which is similar to the price for many of the new JWC replica gypsy guitars.
I'll think it over, and though it's interesting to see how others value these guitars, I don't imagine I'll go for it.
a quick screenshot of two scroll headed "Antonino Napoli" cello guitars , side by side.
(we've seen Ivan R's one on the left before; the black 'baritone' was for sale on eBay italia).
Double concentric sound-hole inlay rings, similar width & style of inlay, curved fretboard end, round fret markers, similar bridges.
The fretwork rosette, missing on LHS guitar, is the same design as on my Caponnetto - ( another premade part, perhaps?? see my profile pic ) : there are the subtlest of differences between these and the "Caponnetto"/"Miroglio"/"Patane", styles - but it still strongly feels like the same luthier was involved.
- - the "Marius" & related "ex-Limberger" style seems slightly more different to me, but my evidence base is just pictures on the internet... I wish I knew if these guitars have a flat-top or a slight archtop like mine...
-A-
All interesting stuff and I am finding it increasingly frustrating trying to find out more about these Italian luthiers. I was commissioned to write a book about a particular Alfa Romeo last year and the research into some of the background details led me to learning a little Italian along the way. Maybe now I should dive in and get some formal lessons as I suspect what little info is out there will need translating.
All I've remembered from my brief flirtation w/Italian is:
Dové la Piazza Vittoria = Where is the Piazza Vittoria
officia postale=post office
and now
chitarra=guitar
pavone=peacock
Since pizza, pasta, and chianti already translate, I think I have all the essentials! 😂
Bill
You just need:
"Due gelati, per favore", and
"Baciami sotto la luna"
and you're good to go 😉
I'm Italian and yesterday I went to my luthier to ask him some tips to fix my Caponnetto and I explained him a bit of the history of gypsy guitars of these types and he didn't know about that.
I don't know If many here in Italy know about these luthier names, maybe only the manouche aficionados, or at least not here in northern Italy.
Ciao Elianu
What did your luthier say about your guitar ??
Looking at the pictures (page 15 of this thread) I'd say it might be possible to get it playing with just a bridge, tailpiece & some strings- just initially to see how the angles work out and if the action is going to be playable without a neck reset. It might not be necessary to fix that crack in the back, at least until you get an idea what it sounds like & plays like.
Some of the work could be done by yourself, like levelling the fingerboard and levelling & re-crowning the frets. Fixing the crack on the back is a trickier job. I'm looking at your nut and string guide at the headstock - it might need some careful measurement & calculation to be sure that the 'zero-fret' is at the right position
Later, I'd probably re-electrify it, with a mini-humbucker in the hole at the neck & the jackplug in the hole on the side, a lot easier than attempting an un-noticeable repair.
-Andy-