Ha, I read an interview (Google served it up) with her just this morning. That's just nuts. I mean I could care less about them hiring musicians who crank out dozen tunes an hour but it's secrecy of it and wrapping it up into various madeup artists names that makes it way out there. Messed up... Why couldn't they just say something like "Spotify house artists consortium" or something like that?
Edit; meant to post a link for the interview with her
I tried Qobuz...I didn't love it. There was no easy way to get it to play the music I'd played before. It was always trying to play something new for me.
It glitched out a fair amount.
I'd be happy to switch to something if it worked well.
It turns out there's a number of albums that didn't transfer but are in fact available on Qobuz. Still the above mentioned Enamoromai then Stochelo's Ready'n Able, Remi Harris is completely absent from it etc...of course there's plenty of music to listen to but I thought it would be easy move with no compromise. I guess all of them are a compromise in one way or another.
Qobuz is pulling cheap tricks too. It popped a Toto IV recommendation as a great hi-res album to check out. Which I actually liked a lot, had in on a vinyl back in a day. On a first listen it was like, "wow, this sounds amazing" but after a few seconds I realized they just made it louder. Once I evened the volume with Spotify, it was very hard to hear the difference. I have a fairly transparent and revealing stereo setup and am pretty picky about sound.
I used to use Deezer for a while and it was good, I'll look at them next.
That Ready'n' Able is a great album! I've spent the better part of my life buying music, searching through used CD stores or bargain bins, buying boxed sets, etc so I've just been happy to load my own music on my phone and stream through CarPlay. My new car came with a few month subscription to SiriusXM but it, like the radio, just plays the same few songs over and over. And like Netflix and the other streaming services, despite their encouragement for us to get rid of physical media and stream unlimited, there are still items that come and go from services. If you like any of the Fixx's classic albums, good luck finding them streaming or for mp3 sale. It just doesn't exist. But I suppose (to try to pull this post to Django relevance) that happened too when they switched from 78s to 33 1/3. Anytime music switches mediums, if your work isn't commercial enough, it likely won't be profitable to make the jump to the new media.
And I got an answer to my question, this is taken from the article with the link below I just read:
"Take Ekfat, for example. Tracks under this pseudonym racked up millions of streams on curated playlists. Ekfat’s story included an Icelandic conservatory, boutique cassette releases, and the air of a reclusive genius. Except… none of it was true.
The name, the bio, and the mystique were all fiction, crafted to make stock music feel artisanal."
I won't vouch for Deezer (I've never subscribed to any streaming service, preferring to just go to YouTube) BUT it apparently deploys some kind of software or something to detect AI content (@wim) & tags accordingly. See @ 3:20 point.
I always believed that after the market transition period, and after Spotify and the likes get a lot more paying subscribers vs people who use the free option, then the payouts to artists will get fixed. But that never happened, not yet at least. It actually might have gotten worse now that Spotify disqualifies everything under a 1K streams.
Deezer seems to be making steps to try to change that. Great interview, thanks for posting @djazzy
Deezer guy, Alexis, sounds genuinely interested in music as art and having it prosper in the hands of actual musicians. They're heavy on flagging ai generated music and removing everything they they suspect is made for the sake of farming the streams.
The bigger thing is they're in the process of moving towards user centric model, he says they're about halfway there already. That means that they will look into the usage of each user and based on that every single user, their subscription money will be divided based on the percentage of artists they listened to individually. It's not going to look into the number of streams, just your time spent with an artist. So if I pay $12 a month and I spend a whole month listening to my own music, then about 70% of that money will come to me, minus the taxes etc... Which then, in theory fixes the fraud streaming and AI generated music aimed at fraud immediately. Because I and everyone else, would have to first invest $12 to make back around $8. That's brilliant. I like this guy. And Anthony, - who I never heard of but obviously he's a big YT name if he could get an hour from Deezer CEO to ask him questions - he was asking all the right questions too.
I always believed that after the market transition period, and after Spotify and the likes get a lot more paying subscribers vs people who use the free option, then the payouts to artists will get fixed.
I've never experienced ANYONE or any business entity who gets used to a certain revenue stream and then is willing to part with some of it. More the opposite--people see what others are getting and make justifications for why their share should be larger. Almost every show I go to, I try to buy some merch or CD from the artist, especially if they are selling themselves, as a way to "put some money in their tip jar." For me, the most direct payment to the artist is the best way I can think of to support their art.
I get that. But trying to do the right thing and making a good chunk of money aren't mutually exclusive. In my previous business I've worked for plenty of super wealthy people. And I've become close enough with a few to learn through them that you can do both. VS making the company profit first and ultimate goal regardless of the means to get there. The guy from Deezer seems to be more in the former camp.
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Ha, I read an interview (Google served it up) with her just this morning. That's just nuts. I mean I could care less about them hiring musicians who crank out dozen tunes an hour but it's secrecy of it and wrapping it up into various madeup artists names that makes it way out there. Messed up... Why couldn't they just say something like "Spotify house artists consortium" or something like that?
Edit; meant to post a link for the interview with her
I tried Qobuz...I didn't love it. There was no easy way to get it to play the music I'd played before. It was always trying to play something new for me.
It glitched out a fair amount.
I'd be happy to switch to something if it worked well.
It turns out there's a number of albums that didn't transfer but are in fact available on Qobuz. Still the above mentioned Enamoromai then Stochelo's Ready'n Able, Remi Harris is completely absent from it etc...of course there's plenty of music to listen to but I thought it would be easy move with no compromise. I guess all of them are a compromise in one way or another.
Qobuz is pulling cheap tricks too. It popped a Toto IV recommendation as a great hi-res album to check out. Which I actually liked a lot, had in on a vinyl back in a day. On a first listen it was like, "wow, this sounds amazing" but after a few seconds I realized they just made it louder. Once I evened the volume with Spotify, it was very hard to hear the difference. I have a fairly transparent and revealing stereo setup and am pretty picky about sound.
I used to use Deezer for a while and it was good, I'll look at them next.
That Ready'n' Able is a great album! I've spent the better part of my life buying music, searching through used CD stores or bargain bins, buying boxed sets, etc so I've just been happy to load my own music on my phone and stream through CarPlay. My new car came with a few month subscription to SiriusXM but it, like the radio, just plays the same few songs over and over. And like Netflix and the other streaming services, despite their encouragement for us to get rid of physical media and stream unlimited, there are still items that come and go from services. If you like any of the Fixx's classic albums, good luck finding them streaming or for mp3 sale. It just doesn't exist. But I suppose (to try to pull this post to Django relevance) that happened too when they switched from 78s to 33 1/3. Anytime music switches mediums, if your work isn't commercial enough, it likely won't be profitable to make the jump to the new media.
I don't think I ever heard of Fixx, lol.
And I got an answer to my question, this is taken from the article with the link below I just read:
"Take Ekfat, for example. Tracks under this pseudonym racked up millions of streams on curated playlists. Ekfat’s story included an Icelandic conservatory, boutique cassette releases, and the air of a reclusive genius. Except… none of it was true.
The name, the bio, and the mystique were all fiction, crafted to make stock music feel artisanal."
https://www.headphonesty.com/2025/01/spotify-ghost-artists-cut-royalty-payments-musicians/
I won't vouch for Deezer (I've never subscribed to any streaming service, preferring to just go to YouTube) BUT it apparently deploys some kind of software or something to detect AI content (@wim) & tags accordingly. See @ 3:20 point.
I don't think I ever heard of Fixx, lol.
You are forgiven. I will educate you later.😂
I always believed that after the market transition period, and after Spotify and the likes get a lot more paying subscribers vs people who use the free option, then the payouts to artists will get fixed. But that never happened, not yet at least. It actually might have gotten worse now that Spotify disqualifies everything under a 1K streams.
Deezer seems to be making steps to try to change that. Great interview, thanks for posting @djazzy
Deezer guy, Alexis, sounds genuinely interested in music as art and having it prosper in the hands of actual musicians. They're heavy on flagging ai generated music and removing everything they they suspect is made for the sake of farming the streams.
The bigger thing is they're in the process of moving towards user centric model, he says they're about halfway there already. That means that they will look into the usage of each user and based on that every single user, their subscription money will be divided based on the percentage of artists they listened to individually. It's not going to look into the number of streams, just your time spent with an artist. So if I pay $12 a month and I spend a whole month listening to my own music, then about 70% of that money will come to me, minus the taxes etc... Which then, in theory fixes the fraud streaming and AI generated music aimed at fraud immediately. Because I and everyone else, would have to first invest $12 to make back around $8. That's brilliant. I like this guy. And Anthony, - who I never heard of but obviously he's a big YT name if he could get an hour from Deezer CEO to ask him questions - he was asking all the right questions too.
I always believed that after the market transition period, and after Spotify and the likes get a lot more paying subscribers vs people who use the free option, then the payouts to artists will get fixed.
I've never experienced ANYONE or any business entity who gets used to a certain revenue stream and then is willing to part with some of it. More the opposite--people see what others are getting and make justifications for why their share should be larger. Almost every show I go to, I try to buy some merch or CD from the artist, especially if they are selling themselves, as a way to "put some money in their tip jar." For me, the most direct payment to the artist is the best way I can think of to support their art.
I get that. But trying to do the right thing and making a good chunk of money aren't mutually exclusive. In my previous business I've worked for plenty of super wealthy people. And I've become close enough with a few to learn through them that you can do both. VS making the company profit first and ultimate goal regardless of the means to get there. The guy from Deezer seems to be more in the former camp.