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  • paulmcevoy75paulmcevoy75 Portland, MaineNew
    Posts: 404

    I keep making these videos, maybe they will remind me how to do things the next time I do them...

    Vacuum bagging

    Locating Braces:

    Buco
  • marcelodamonmarcelodamon Asheville, NC✭✭✭ Selmer #561
    edited April 4 Posts: 53

    Speaking of Blue Guitars....Ari at AJL is making this Gypsy Fire for me based on the color of a Gibson ES-137. I should have it in the next couple of weeks.


    voutoreenieBillDaCostaWilliamsbillyshakesflaco
  • paulmcevoy75paulmcevoy75 Portland, MaineNew
    Posts: 404

    Couple updates, I'm still re-engineering the way I'm doing pretty much everything based on things I wanted to change on my past guitars. Progress is slow but I'm pretty confident that the things I'm working on are going to make a superior instrument.

    CNC Cut Braces

    New Molds

    Vacuum Bagging braces (hopefully)


    BillDaCostaWilliamsBucoflaco
  • BonesBones Moderator
    Posts: 3,333

    Thanks for the vid. How do you thickness them? By hand or do you have a wide thickness sander?

  • paulmcevoy75paulmcevoy75 Portland, MaineNew
    Posts: 404

    Once I had $1500, now I have this. Pretty much essential for me. I have been doing some thicknessing with my CNC but it is super easy to destroy a top on it. Fast though.



    Bones
  • paulmcevoy75paulmcevoy75 Portland, MaineNew
    Posts: 404

    ok I actually vacuum bagged some braces. It ended up working pretty well. Super PITA and I'm not sure I will keep doing it but I also really like the quality it gives.

    Kind of a long video, I queued it up to the exciting part.


  • billyshakesbillyshakes NoVA✭✭✭ Park Avance - Dupont Nomade - Dupont DM-50E
    Posts: 1,575

    Do you have to leave the air on the whole few hours you are waiting for the glue to dry? Is that because of the air valve mount that you made?

  • paulmcevoy75paulmcevoy75 Portland, MaineNew
    Posts: 404

    Yeah the pump stays on. It is designed to stay on for long periods but it freaks me out a bit. I have some fire OCD.

    I think it's pretty hard to get a perfect vacuum like this. But I'm pretty new to it. Usually you either run your pump continuously or you have a sort of bladder buffer that stores up some extra vacuum and when that gets depleted the pump comes back on. But I don't think you just get a perfect vacuum and shut it off. This also demands quite a bit of pressure.

    billyshakes
  • paulmcevoy75paulmcevoy75 Portland, MaineNew
    Posts: 404

    The crazy thing about the vacuum which I don't totally understand is it's actually the weight of the atmosphere that's doing the clamping.

    Magic. Kind of like magnets. How do those things work???

    But seriously. My guitars are glued with the power of the atmosphere.

    BucoBillDaCostaWilliams
  • billyshakesbillyshakes NoVA✭✭✭ Park Avance - Dupont Nomade - Dupont DM-50E
    edited April 12 Posts: 1,575

    The crazy thing about the vacuum which I don't totally understand is it's actually the weight of the atmosphere that's doing the clamping.

    May sound crazy, but that is similar to the pressure you feel in your ears when you descend underwater. For every 33 ft underwater you go, you increase the pressure by 1 atmosphere. So 33 ft underwater is twice the pressure you feel at sea level. 66 ft down is 3 atmospheres, etc. That's why most people get "bent" in that last 33 ft and why divers often do a safety stop there. To let some of the pressure off-gas out of your tissue before you halve your perceived pressure by surfacing.

    You see the opposite of this when you looked at a sealed potato chip bag in an airplane cabin. The pressure inside the bag is set at ~1 atm (sea level). As you climb, the pressure of the air decreases outside the bag so the pressure inside is greater. It pushes out against the flexible bag and looks like it is going to explode.

    And while that is all science, yes, it is still really crazy to think that what is left is the "weight" of that pressure differential pushing/pulling down on that "flimsy" piece of plastic bag.

    Buco
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