What exactly is Joscho doing here?

Heavy Django

Don't worry about it, let it stay beyond you. It's a perfectly valid question to pose and discuss in this forum of course, but that lick threw a cold wet blanket on my musical mojo, triplet or whatever it was. It's purely acrobatic and may help get you laid after a GJ gig (if that's possible), but that is the only benefit I can see to using it. Still don't hear the triplets FWIW, but one more listen could cause more adverse side effects than my Viagra experience. TMI ??

NewcastleBud

"P.S. If you are hearing dead people laugh at you I hope you'll go see a priest. . . or at least Bruce Willis about that. Sounds scary!"

Good on ya!

Elliot

kungfumonk007 wrote:

I gave in ripped the audio and slowed it down since everyone is hearing the time differently -

Definitely I can confirm, it is measured (in time, not just a random or unmeasured tremelo) and it is triplets, though there are spots that it is not perfect, so even at half speed it is a little difficult to tell. Super impressive! It's going to take some work for me to get that up to speed.

Really? Well, I'll be damned. However I can say I really don't have to worry about this, because being a lefty playing righty I belong to the group of people who have absolutely no hope whatsoever. :P

Bones

Kung,

That makes sense. I think that most of the time the tremolo is measured not just random to give it a good rhythmic feel (not that I can do it, just from listening).

Thanks for the info. That's a great effect!

klaatu

Elliot wrote:

... being a lefty playing righty I belong to the group of people who have absolutely no hope whatsoever. :P

Then there are those of us who are righties playing righty who have absolutely no hope whatsoever!

slicker37

NewcastleBud wrote:

Well, first let me say that I'd rather not get into a huge argument about fast-twitch fibers or plyometrics (after all, this IS a website dedicated to Gypsy Jazz guitar),
What I will say though is the technique in question is very rapid tremolo picking (think of the sound on Dick Dale's 'Miserlou").
This time done with octaves instead of single notes and playing a melody of some sort.
They are NOT 8th note triplets or 164th note semi-demi-hemi quavers.
Yes, it is very fast, yes, it would help to keep the wrist as loose as possible and (most importantly),
Yes, (with practice....remember that?)
you CAN do this.
To say that only a select few are "born" to do this is just setting yourself up for failure before you even start.
I mean, with that approach...Django was definitely a genius in the true sense of the word, so why do the rest of us even bother?

firstly,yes this is a gypsy jazz website,but i;m afraid speed and training are part of playing gypsy jazz,so i dont know what your saying??????i didnt exactly say a few were born to do this,but the truth is that there IS only a few at joschos level.That certainly does not put me off and i certainly do not have a negative attitude to being like the greats.....I teach all style of guitar including gj and get to meet all kinds of wonderful people.Some,no matter how hard they try, cannot play really quickly due to genetics and not lack of practise,that is a FACT,so saying its just practise is just like saying we all could be like bireli...........no matter how much practise,its likely you will never be that good,that is just reality. I know most of the players i meet agree but it doesnt put them off because everybody can be great in there own way..you know what i;m saying?

respect

slicker37

NewcastleBud wrote:

Well, first let me say that I'd rather not get into a huge argument about fast-twitch fibers or plyometrics (after all, this IS a website dedicated to Gypsy Jazz guitar),
What I will say though is the technique in question is very rapid tremolo picking (think of the sound on Dick Dale's 'Miserlou").
This time done with octaves instead of single notes and playing a melody of some sort.
They are NOT 8th note triplets or 164th note semi-demi-hemi quavers.
Yes, it is very fast, yes, it would help to keep the wrist as loose as possible and (most importantly),
Yes, (with practice....remember that?)
you CAN do this.
To say that only a select few are "born" to do this is just setting yourself up for failure before you even start.
I mean, with that approach...Django was definitely a genius in the true sense of the word, so why do the rest of us even bother?

firstly,yes this is a gypsy jazz website,but i;m afraid speed and training are part of playing gypsy jazz,so i dont know what your saying??????i didnt exactly say a few were born to do this,but the truth is that there IS only a few at joschos level.That certainly does not put me off and i certainly do not have a negative attitude to being like the greats.....I teach all style of guitar including gj and get to meet all kinds of wonderful people.Some,no matter how hard they try, cannot play really quickly due to genetics and not lack of practise,that is a FACT,so saying its just practise is just like saying we all could be like bireli...........no matter how much practise,its likely you will never be that good,that is just reality. I know most of the players i meet agree but it doesnt put them off because everybody can be great in there own way..you know what i;m saying?

respect

noize

I have to agree with NewcastleBud. Getting as good as Joscho, Bireli or whomever only takes effort, dedication and pratice. People like Stocholo Rosenberg have been playing since their teens, playing 10-15 hours a day and have never stopped. Even when they work they play. Furthermore, gypsies are surrounded by people knowledgable in methods and techniques, some of which we are still trying to figure out (at least I know I am), and are immersed in melodies and licks from a very young age. Associating genetics with talent is just an excuse of ones own lack in confidence or ones indolence; not being able to see this will handicap any healthy learning attitude. Being physically disabled would be a valid excuse, however, even an impairment doesn't stop the truly motivated - our hero Django Reinhardt.

NewcastleBud

"firstly,yes this is a gypsy jazz website,but i;m afraid speed and training are part of playing gypsy jazz,so i dont know what your saying??????"

Well, Slicker37,
I was simply saying that practice (training) was a tad more important than going on ad infinitum about such things as twitching fibers and various types of metrics (plyo and otherwise).

"i didnt exactly say a few were born to do this,but the truth is that there IS only a few at joschos level."
Actually, there's only ONE at Joscho's level.....Joscho, one Bireli, one Fapy and certainly, one Django.

You are correct in that some people just can not play very quickly (if at all), and yes, no matter how hard they try,..it just ain't gonna happen. So yes, practice will not help these folks.

For the rest of us, practice and persistence......it's the only way.

pinkgary

Playing fast does NOT make you a good player.......

Bireli is great because of his imagination, not because he can play fast...

I thought we all learned this in the '80's.... It was taught to us in no uncertain terms by Yngwie Malmsteen