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  • Lango-DjangoLango-Django Niagara-On-The-Lake, ONModerator
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    Minor/Maj7 for that homesick sound...

    Funny, I always thought of the “homesick” chord as a diminished chord with an extra non-chordal tone..

    eg, “I’ll be [homesick chord] for Christmas...”

    But upon further reflection, I realize that the “homesick” feeling in both chords is created by an “odd” note being added to the harmony...

    Paul Cezanne: "I could paint for a thousand years without stopping and I would still feel as though I knew nothing."

    Edgar Degas: "Only when he no longer knows what he is doing does the painter do good things.... To draw, you must close your eyes and sing."

    Georges Braque: "In art there is only one thing that counts: the bit that can’t be explained."
  • ChristopheCaringtonChristopheCarington San Francisco, CA USANew Dupont MD50, Stringphonic Favino, Altamira Chorus
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    @Lango-Django Interesting you bring that up. My jazz-schooled contemporaries think of it as related to Christmas tunes as well - specifically going from the 4 chord to the half-diminished m7b5 2 chord (so if in C, C - F - Dm7b5), as they think of the progression as a 1 - 4 - 2 - 5 thing. Like White Christmas, or All I Want for Christmas is You.

    ...but a Dm7b5 is just an inversion of an Fm6. I personally find it easier to remember a Major to Minor change vs. a half-diminished 2 after a 4.

    stuologyBillDaCostaWilliams
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    I play maj7 arp all the time. Over major chords, whether root of IV chord. I've seen/heard Stochelo play maj7 arp and pretty sure Angelo too.

    rudolfochrist
    Every note wants to go somewhere-Kurt Rosenwinkel
  • Lango-DjangoLango-Django Niagara-On-The-Lake, ONModerator
    edited December 2020 Posts: 1,855

    Ha ha, Christophe, just goes to show that even a blind pig can find an acorn every now and then!

    And I agree with your jazz-schooled friends, Christmas songs are important!

    If you were to gather a hundred Americans at random and try to lead them in a singalong, chances are that the only songs that everybody could manage would be the national anthem, the Christmas songs and the Beatles songs...

    Paul Cezanne: "I could paint for a thousand years without stopping and I would still feel as though I knew nothing."

    Edgar Degas: "Only when he no longer knows what he is doing does the painter do good things.... To draw, you must close your eyes and sing."

    Georges Braque: "In art there is only one thing that counts: the bit that can’t be explained."
  • BonesBones Moderator
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    Buco, yes that maj7 arp seems like pretty much SOP in the GJ vocabulary. The maj7 can either be a leading tone for the root or target it for a color tone. I hear it a LOT in GJ.

  • billyshakesbillyshakes NoVA✭✭✭ Park Avance - Dupont Nomade - Dupont DM-50E
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    Thanks to all for your comments so far. Dennis's original comment, and those of Bones, Buco, etc talk about the prevalence of the maj7 in the style.

    Here's a sample that was pointed out to me of Stochelo on "Coquette." I've tried to start the link right on the passage, but for context it is a lick starting out his solo on the root chord using a maj7 arp.

    I found another short slice of Antoine Boyer playing a maj7 lick. https://www.soundslice.com/slices/LMdNc/

    Any other examples that someone could post (preferably w/video links) would be appreciated. Trying to hear different contexts for how/when it is used.

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    Wasn't sure if that SOP is for "standing on precipice" or as I found out "standard operating procedure" . Man you are the king of acronyms.

    So yes in that video with Stochelo he opens his solo with straight Dmaj7 arp: R, 3, 5, 7. In this video from DC School with Angelo, he's using maj7 but more as approach or a color note. His lines are more triad based with interesting flavor notes added, at least to my ears..


    Every note wants to go somewhere-Kurt Rosenwinkel
  • BonesBones Moderator
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    If you think of the maj7 as an approach note then the whole thing is really just a major triad. I've used the "maj7" over a dominant and as long as you don't stop on the maj7 it sounds great. And it lays under the fingers well.

    wimChristopheCaringtonrudolfochrist
  • billyshakesbillyshakes NoVA✭✭✭ Park Avance - Dupont Nomade - Dupont DM-50E
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    Man, how about that cool jacket Angelo is wearing?!

    When I hear that maj7 as an approach note, it gives a similar sound as a minor9 arp since you have that same half step interval (just at a difft point in the scale--maj7->R vs. 9->m3). Of course the function is different, but the impression has the same quality to my ears when it is in an extended arpeggio...at least at this point in my learning.

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    Yeah that's why Dennis said you could play maj7 arp over minor chord. Same notes with the addition of maj7 note which as you said would function as 9 in minor chord/arpeggio.

    I think I just recently read that Tchavolo likes playing minor 6 arps over major chords.

    Every note wants to go somewhere-Kurt Rosenwinkel
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