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MontereyJacques

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frater

Interesting experiment, but I suspect you can't use both the Schertler and the Schatten without a pre-amp (and some EQ). Direct in the PC they sound pretty crappy, that's for sure, but that's not the best sound you can get out of these things!

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wonder if you can get a tele pick-up on there

frater

Check this link out, interesting stuff:

http://www.fingerpick.com/pickups.htm

MontereyJacques

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MontereyJacques

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Jack

MontereyJacques wrote:

In this experiment, while the mics didn't sound great, they sounded better than schertler, schatten and stimer. Live, however, the mics just don't cut it. A lavalier mic that sounds good in a small cafe, sounds hollow and feeds back in a large venue (when being used for primary amplification and not monitoring).

Incidentally, the present results for the survey are:

1) Dynamic Mic..........4.5%
2) Lavalier Mic ..........72.7%
3) Schertler Pickup....4.5%
4) Schatten Pickup....18.2%
5) Stimer Pickup.......0.0%

Can anyone tell me if there are any major players that actually use lavalier mics for primary amplification? It seems like ever since the Bireli Vienne DVD came out, a lot of people went nuts for those, thinking that's how he got his sound, despite news to the contrary.

Thanks,
Jack.

MontereyJacques

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Jack

Thanks Jack!

I recognize that phasey-sound from a gig somewhere; I remember thinking "this must be what seasickness feels like". I haven't heard that Romane/Stochelo disc, but I'll track it down. Thanks again.

Best,
Jack.

djadam

MontereyJacques wrote:

The Schatten, while it sounded somewhat tele-like in the test, actually sounds very acoustic in live applications.

I agree completely. It sounds awful plugged right into the PC, but using the Schatten via a Baggs pre into my compact 60, I get a sound a sound which is very natural and acoustic.

As I mentioned in another thread, I think it sounds more natural than either of the bigtone-equipped guitars I've heard plugged directly into the compact 60, though it sounds a tad thin in comparison, so I'd actually give the edge to the bigtone.

Bob Holo

Here's how they look from a energy/time perspective.

The Schatten is heavily EQ'd in the upper midrange - the mics show their expected EQ curves: vocal punch for the dynamic mic & sparkle for the lavalier mic. The Stimer is almost dead linear and slightly warmer than neutral - and the Schertler is very linear with a little topend sparkle.

Given this, my preference would be to run a Schertler & a lavalier in stereo which should give a good mix of acoustic cues & soundboard resonance and be linear enough to EQ as needed for any specific environment.