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The modal comment was regarding the bepop style than the gypsy style. To be honest I can see where you are coming from, some people enjoy the old school style more than the modern style (bringing in other genres as influence). In this way I could assume that you would prefer a player like duved over a player like Joscho?
It is also interesting to think about what influences players have outside of Django. I think Stochello said past django he transcribed a few Jobim records which might be how he popularised the gypsy bossa. From what I’ve heard Angelo debarre has an Eastern European influence, Bireli said that he transcribed a lot of George Benson. I think it’s quite clear to me that Joscho is greatly influenced by Bireli, this is in terms of expanding to different styles and bringing different styles in. This to me is something I enjoy, my thinking behind this is if I wanted to listen to the same standards over and over again I would just listen to django and to me there would be no point in other people playing this music because we would just be recycling the same material
True, many music college jazz departments and teachers, snub Django and gypsy jazz all together.
Wow, well obviously Joscho is one of the contemporary greats in this genre. Sheesh guys. Seriously?
Like I originally wrote, people nowhere near Joschos level, are all "experts" now
Yeah I agreed a lot with what you said. Unfortunately, I feel this thread shows a lot of what is wrong with jazz nowadays, a lot of people know how to talk about the music but not play it. It’s strange in a way because really gypsy jazz is based off theatrics and a certain level of rawness which is contrary to what many people on this thread enjoy. The main thing I thought about is if you put Joscho in a gypsy fair performance or busking on a street, I wonder how big of a crowd would gather? Isn’t this the roots of gypsy jazz or even gypsy music in general? Maybe my history is incorrect but I’m almost certain that django started out busking.
Well, like most people, I can't play at Joscho's level when it comes to playing long strings of 64th notes or anything else. But I have many hundreds of recordings of this music from all kinds of players and a large library of text on the subject collected over 30 years. If I never played solos, I played rhythm for a number of pretty good guitarists over those 30 years without embarrassing myself too badly. I know what I like, and it isn't an endless barrage of notes played as fast as possible. Here at this forum, it seems that a lot of people are drawn in by players like Jimmy R or Joscho, shredders whose focus is on technique, speed and flash. Others are drawn in by players like Django, and those modern players who have some of the poetry and romance that so defined Django's playing and composing. Some others split the difference. Many forms of folk music have fragmented in this way, and as gypsy jazz has been transitioning from jazz music into folk music, and if history provides us any guidance, I suppose that we have another 20 or 30 years of this kind of squabbling to look forward to. Onward through the fog!
Django most certainly busked but his talent was so prodigious he was hired pretty quickly in his teens to gig, albeit on the banjo guitar playing Musette (iirc).
There was a comment upstream about Jimmy Rosenberg playing slow melodic lines.
His Solo Guitar piece is an example I like where he plays both fast and slow lines with lots of melody (to my ears)
Thank you for sharing that, really beautiful piece (not come across this before). I think the video I saw was an interview with Jimmy Rosenberg it’s about an hour long and he plays some slow things but it was as if his fingers weren’t co-operating. To be fair to Jimmy it may have been nerves or something, Jimmy is also one of my hero’s in this genre, another one of my influences. To me it’s heartbreaking that his legacy will be negatively impacted from drug addiction. To me it’s mostly the Dutch players that I enjoy, stochello, Paulus, Jimmy. Potentially Joscho might be very similar (finds the Dutch players inspiring)