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  • Lango-DjangoLango-Django Niagara-On-The-Lake, ONModerator
    edited March 2022 Posts: 1,868

    “usquabae”

    Upvoted for teaching me a new word… thanks, AndyW.

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  • billyshakesbillyshakes NoVA✭✭✭ Park Avance - Dupont Nomade - Dupont DM-50E
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    Me too! I had always seen it in Scotland as "uisge beatha"

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    Essential word too!

    Every note wants to go somewhere-Kurt Rosenwinkel
  • BillDaCostaWilliamsBillDaCostaWilliams Barreiro, Portugal✭✭✭ Altamira M01F, Huttl, 8 mandolins
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    I had always seen it in Scotland as "uisge beatha"

    In Irish it's similar: uisce beatha (water of life).

  • scotscot Virtuoso
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    An interesting little book called "L'argot des musiciens" provides a bit of info on the origins of the chord sequences known as anatole, christophe, and julot. Julot, not yet discussed here, is the sequence C-C7-F-Fm-G7 (which often follows the anatole), thought to originate with gypsy guitarists in the 40s. The authors accept saxophonist Jean-Claude Fohrenbach's explanation of the origins of anatole (C-Am-Dm-G7): a post-war guitarist or banjoist, lacking musical education, assigned names to the chord sequences that he used most often. Like anatole... Hugues Panassie, however, says that it comes from medicine, where a skeleton is often called "anatole", chords being the skeleton of a tune. "Christophe" is attributed to Jean-Claude Fohrenbach.

    And am I the only person who plays a descending Bm to start the 2nd 8 of "Django's Tiger"?  

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  • wimwim ChicagoModerator Barault #503 replica
    edited March 2022 Posts: 1,487

    Here's where we discussed all the same things 10 years ago..

    https://www.djangobooks.com/forum/discussion/11161/what-is-this-progression-help

    @scot I'll also play a Bm there occasionally, or just stay on E7. Instead of that E7 - F7 - E7 thing, which is a travesty.

    Buco
  • BillDaCostaWilliamsBillDaCostaWilliams Barreiro, Portugal✭✭✭ Altamira M01F, Huttl, 8 mandolins
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    a post-war guitarist or banjoist, lacking musical education, assigned names to the chord sequences that he used most often.

    I once played with an elderly Capeverdian cavaquinho player who didn't know the names of any chords but had a good ear and played the major, minor, dominant and half diminished chords common in Capeverdian songs perfectly; he had his own naming system based on numbers for the different chord types. I think a major chord was 1, dominant 2, minor 3 and half diminished 4.

  • billyshakesbillyshakes NoVA✭✭✭ Park Avance - Dupont Nomade - Dupont DM-50E
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    We all know this clip. It seems appropriate to the direction of this thread.


    BillDaCostaWilliams
  • philippephilippe New
    edited March 2022 Posts: 8

    Christophe progression (or I already heard 'sequence plagiale mineure' i.e minor plagial progression) and I think the diminished chord replace a minor one (see for instance the course of Denis Chang):

    IV IVm I then VI7 (instead of VIm) to 'call' the II (m or 7) and then the usual II V I.

    Ph

  • tyolintyolin PortlandNew A violin
    Posts: 4

    "cristophe changes" yes.

    I've heard these 8 bars named 'the horse' as well.

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