Yeah, I probably sounded a bit absolutist in my previous post; I mean, obviously you still want to sound your best at any gig, which is why it's so essential to have a good understanding both of your sound/tone/rig and how different rooms play/project for both player & audience instead of constantly fiddling around with it once the gig starts
I stand by my original post but with qualifications. I also always tried to do my best at any gig - well-groomed, mentally sharp and ready to play, material memorized, guitar and amp ready to go, all that stuff. But not overboard either. After all, in a restaurant, coffeehouse, bookstore, wedding, art opening, any event where the crowd isn't there for the express purpose of seeing you, you're basically providing ambient music for whatever the crowd actually is there for. That's why those gigs usually don't pay very well and you get treated like the waitstaff. Sorry, but that's life. Now if you've got a good gig at Django a Gogo etc where nearly everyone in the audience is knowledgeable that's different. That's why those kinds of jobs pay better, they're expecting a professional performance not ambient music. And every gig like that I ever played, all 1 or 2 of them lol, they provided sound. At least that's my general experience over about 40 years. Of course, I haven't played a gig in over 10 years and things might have changed a bit.
I'm with you on the piezos. They all seem to have a "quack" that I really don't like.
I was an audiophile a long time ago and I do understand the quest for perfection in sound. I'll never forget seeing the Grateful Dead's "wall of sound" in 1975. But it all just became too much work for me...
Yeah, I get all of you. I care about my tone. And if I'm in the audience, just as much, maybe more so. Thing is, we can go down the rabbit hole easily. I know I've done that with various string brands and picks. When I say I don't split hairs when it comes to amplified sounds and leave well enough alone...well, I've known people who over the years went through multiple amps and pickups and micing systems because every one was missing something or had too much of something else. And they were correct with their conclusions . It's just where you set the tolerance. Mine is higher than theirs. No person in the audience will ever care for the performers' tone down to that minutia. But I'm sure everyone who commented will want to enjoy what they hear coming out of the speaker. The rest is, which flavor do you like.
Well not specific to GJ, I'll probably never play a dedicated GJ gig but in general...I'm trying to make sure my stuff sounds as good it can(to me)...obsessed is a relative term though I guess.
In other news...I was trying to get this guitar together to play it on an upcoming Christmas Show next week but not to be. I do like playing it plugged in though with the Krivo into a guitar amp, it's kind of a way to sort of play electric-ish on an acoustic gig. :) I pulled the pickup though & it really makes me play different not having the pickup on there. At least I think so, I dig in a little bit more so of course I want to check out a Carlos Sensor and I'd like to check out a Bigtone.
Ever hear of anybody trying a Baggs HiFi pickup in a GJ guitar? I would have thought somebody at least would have checked it out but can't find an example of it. Okay you gotta get past having a battery in the guitar and the sound hole volume control(that can be hidden). I get all that but as a dedicated live performance instrument, doesn't seem like that big a stretch. There's also no bridge plate where the sensors would normally go so there's that but still you could stick them inside underneath where the bridge feet are and get something out of it...maybe. It probably sucks but just wondering if anybody's run across somebody that's tried it.
I wrote them with that question about a year ago because I was interested if it would work on these guitars. Not the most encouraging reply came back...
Unfortunately, I don't know how well the HiFi would do on a Selmer style guitar. Since the HiFi is still pretty new, and designed for steel string acoustic guitars, we haven't really tried the pickups on many other instruments yet. Based on the construction, it seems like the HiFi should work, but I'm not sure how accurately the tone of the instrument would be reproduced with the current preamp tuning.
I wish I could give you a better answer, but I just don't have enough data to be able to recommend it.
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For me personally tone absolutely matters. Especially as an audience member. I have very particular taste.
But at a certain point your have to let go and play the gig.
Yeah, I probably sounded a bit absolutist in my previous post; I mean, obviously you still want to sound your best at any gig, which is why it's so essential to have a good understanding both of your sound/tone/rig and how different rooms play/project for both player & audience instead of constantly fiddling around with it once the gig starts
I stand by my original post but with qualifications. I also always tried to do my best at any gig - well-groomed, mentally sharp and ready to play, material memorized, guitar and amp ready to go, all that stuff. But not overboard either. After all, in a restaurant, coffeehouse, bookstore, wedding, art opening, any event where the crowd isn't there for the express purpose of seeing you, you're basically providing ambient music for whatever the crowd actually is there for. That's why those gigs usually don't pay very well and you get treated like the waitstaff. Sorry, but that's life. Now if you've got a good gig at Django a Gogo etc where nearly everyone in the audience is knowledgeable that's different. That's why those kinds of jobs pay better, they're expecting a professional performance not ambient music. And every gig like that I ever played, all 1 or 2 of them lol, they provided sound. At least that's my general experience over about 40 years. Of course, I haven't played a gig in over 10 years and things might have changed a bit.
I'm with you on the piezos. They all seem to have a "quack" that I really don't like.
I was an audiophile a long time ago and I do understand the quest for perfection in sound. I'll never forget seeing the Grateful Dead's "wall of sound" in 1975. But it all just became too much work for me...
Scot--you may not have played a gig in over 10 years but your accomplishments & acquired wisdom are timeless. Well said, my friend.
Yeah, I get all of you. I care about my tone. And if I'm in the audience, just as much, maybe more so. Thing is, we can go down the rabbit hole easily. I know I've done that with various string brands and picks. When I say I don't split hairs when it comes to amplified sounds and leave well enough alone...well, I've known people who over the years went through multiple amps and pickups and micing systems because every one was missing something or had too much of something else. And they were correct with their conclusions . It's just where you set the tolerance. Mine is higher than theirs. No person in the audience will ever care for the performers' tone down to that minutia. But I'm sure everyone who commented will want to enjoy what they hear coming out of the speaker. The rest is, which flavor do you like.
Well not specific to GJ, I'll probably never play a dedicated GJ gig but in general...I'm trying to make sure my stuff sounds as good it can(to me)...obsessed is a relative term though I guess.
In other news...I was trying to get this guitar together to play it on an upcoming Christmas Show next week but not to be. I do like playing it plugged in though with the Krivo into a guitar amp, it's kind of a way to sort of play electric-ish on an acoustic gig. :) I pulled the pickup though & it really makes me play different not having the pickup on there. At least I think so, I dig in a little bit more so of course I want to check out a Carlos Sensor and I'd like to check out a Bigtone.
Another Black Hole officially entered.
No!! Not a black hole! You'll get spaghettified!
You want to gown down a rabbit hole. Much safer.
Ever hear of anybody trying a Baggs HiFi pickup in a GJ guitar? I would have thought somebody at least would have checked it out but can't find an example of it. Okay you gotta get past having a battery in the guitar and the sound hole volume control(that can be hidden). I get all that but as a dedicated live performance instrument, doesn't seem like that big a stretch. There's also no bridge plate where the sensors would normally go so there's that but still you could stick them inside underneath where the bridge feet are and get something out of it...maybe. It probably sucks but just wondering if anybody's run across somebody that's tried it.
I wrote them with that question about a year ago because I was interested if it would work on these guitars. Not the most encouraging reply came back...
Unfortunately, I don't know how well the HiFi would do on a Selmer style guitar. Since the HiFi is still pretty new, and designed for steel string acoustic guitars, we haven't really tried the pickups on many other instruments yet. Based on the construction, it seems like the HiFi should work, but I'm not sure how accurately the tone of the instrument would be reproduced with the current preamp tuning.
I wish I could give you a better answer, but I just don't have enough data to be able to recommend it.
Aaahhh, well okay, thanks. Yeah they have an Anthem with the pre tweaked for classical so I get it. I'd like to hear one though!